Wazzup fellow game-builders?

I just thought I'd ask what you thought about turn-based games. I think that the purpose of video games is to destroy the need for turns at all, creating a more immersive and fun experience. I guess not *all* turn-based games suck, but most of them piss me off with how slowly they develop. And while some game genres do tend to rely on turns, there's really no contest between the thrill of Counter-Strike and the, uh, "thrill" of Civ 3.

What do you guys think?

NetHack. Still exciting after all these years...

What if "thrill" is not the main goal of the game?

Civ definitely had its thrills.

Oh, but Pokemon begs to differ!

Okay:

1. NetHack was *never* fun, just one of the better half-games out there,
2. "thrill" is the point of any game,
3. discovering gunpowder isn't cool,
4. and Pokemon is a card game.

There's a definite market for turn-based games. There are players who won't play anything else.

Except for such niche games such as 4X strategy, etc., most turn-based games have gone to a hybrid approach, like the Jagged Alliance games that are real-time during movement and turn-based during combat.

There's still life in it. And the ULTIMATE game of all games, chess, is of course turn-based. So is Monopoly. Neither of them is going away any time soon.

@DonJuan:

U *can not* generalize your opinion as a public view mate. What YOU think, isnt what I think, or what EVERYONE ELSE thinks.

Look at fallout. That game is unbelievably great! Or heroes of might and magic! If you tell me that game isnt thrilling, or fun, then you obviosly have a very narrow view on games. If the game such as civ makes u think, doesnt mean its a bad game.

Try and open ur mind a tid-bit.

Tim

Finally, someone brings up a turn-based *video* game.

I can generalize all I want. Now I'm a little opinionated towards turn-based games, but that's why I wanted to hear what everyone thinks. I personally think that games, from this point onward, should be burned if you have to wait for your opponent to go. Vast, you have some good points. Now I actually forgot Might and Magic, which I liked when I was a kid, but these games are antiquated. Don't tell me you couldn't make Fallout better by taking out the turns; the reasons for its coolness have nothing to do with them.

Turns are for bored-games, not video games! Games from Solitaire to Battleship to Civ aren't real video games, but ports from a bygone era. Am I the only one who has the balls to say it???

Do you know
* XCOM - Menace Unknow
* XCOM - Terror from the deep
* XCOM - Aftermath

Those games are awesome, and turn-based.

The outcome of a realtime strategy game is largely determined by who clicks fastest.
The outcome of a turn-based strategy game is determined by who is smartest.

People with trembling index fingers should stick to their Doom-derivatives, and leave the strategy games to REAL men...

Corre vs. DonJuan - 10 : 0

Thank you, thank you :-)

I'll be here all week

Its easy to think of turn based games that dont suck, heres 3 off the top of my head:

Rome Total War, and the entire series for that matter, Campaign mode. Based on the board game Shogun http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/221

Advance Wars is pretty cool

Worms quite a good game too

One up for Advance Wars & XCom, talk about thrill!

Haha! So I was waiting for this (http://www.civanon.org/main.html) Civilization 4 movie to download and though I would check out what was happening over at flipcode.

Ascendency was turn-based, IIRC, and I think it was pretty cool.

Incubation, loved it.

lol, im glad someone brought out Worms, hehe i remember spending all of my computer classes in school just playing that game. Ah good old memories.

Fallout is great as it is turnbased (i dont even like tactics because it's not turn based, its not as fun when u turn it on though).

In turn based games u get a chance to stretch ur mind's thought to reach strategical outcomes during.. battle for example. U start thinking logical, and the thril is always present, maybe from being shot in a head from AK-47 (Kalashnikov for my eastern-european mates) or from actually defeating ur adversary in an intense and strategical battle. Both are fun.

"I can generalize all I want" - not as a public opinion u cant. Express ur thoughts, just dont put words in other people's mouth.


Regards,
Tim

P.S. Corre - great derriviation of intended gameplay skills needed in the 2 genres mate!

When you're in the mood for an apple, eat an apple. When you want an orange, eat an orange.

Also think about older or disabled people who simply are not able to play any reaction critical game.

My dad for example simply sucks at anything involving speed, but I am still able to play a session Age of Wonders against him, and usually I lose.

Cheers,
- Wernaeh

This is great! I hoped I could get some feedback here, and it's great to hear you guys so vehemently defend your games. Including people telling me I'm all narrow-minded and shit, I think this is what flipcode is all about.

Still, it's not the smarter people who win turn-based games, it's the people who actually take the time to get good at them. I know a lot of morons who kick ass. Just so you know, you're all completely wrong.

i think speakers of foreign languages shouldn't try picking apart english slang. i also think that four quote boxes for one paragraph is lame (and shit). i think corre should polish his posting skillz. his time is up - next?

You should all know better then to feed a troll, especially one with an email address like "pimp_imp@hotmail.com". I be he actually likes Civ 3 too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Just out of curiosity, is there a way to get through the entire game without dying and then cheating with save games ? Though I heard it is possible, I tried really, really often, and didn't manage to get anywhere near the end ;)How far did you get ?

I made it to Medusa once without cheating, but did something extremely stupid then (digging down into the Castle level below without a mirror or anything, and the only stair upwards led directly to Medusa... nasty...)

Cheers,
- Wernaeh