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d3lphi

May 06, 2005, 05:37 AM

hello lads

Question: As i map a OpenGL buffer object using glMapBufferARB() and write data to the returned memory pointer (using memcopy()), when exactly is the data being transfered to VRAM? Immediately? When i glUnmapBufferARB() the buffer? Or when i call glFinish()?

Somebody knows?

Many thanks
d3lphi

 
Erik Faye-Lund

May 06, 2005, 05:55 AM

d3lphi: that depends entirely on the implementation. in most common desktop-cases, it's a pointer directly to agp-memory. as far as i remember, the spec doesn't even mention any s no memory-transfer. my point is, there might and might not be a memory-transfer. this is, however not anything you should worry about. writing to the pointer after unmapping it however, leads to undefined operation. in most implementations, i guess you'll get a page-fault.

 
d3lphi

May 06, 2005, 06:38 AM

hm. I would not worry about that, too, but i'm working on a benchmark-application that extracts transfer-rates to VRAM and back.
I tried not to waste time doing mapping/unmapping/glFinishing(), but i think i will test those alternatives and notice the difference ..

meanwhile, ty

 
Erik Faye-Lund

May 07, 2005, 06:21 PM

in that case opengl is a very bad choice for benchmarking-platform, simply because the spec is so vague. unless you're working with a given set of hardware and drivers, you can't really know for sure what's going on under the hood. remember, vbos don't need to even be put in vram ;)

 
Chris

May 08, 2005, 06:54 AM

There definitively ARE memory transfers, because the driver must take immediate notice of the data you give it. It cannot postpone the transfer and hope that the pointer/data will still be valid some time later.

The real question is: where does that data end up ?
The driver could give you a pointer
- to non-local VRAM (AGP memory),
- to local VRAM (mapped in the CPUs address space),
- to system RAM, and leave it there
- to system RAM, and do another SYS->VRAM or SYS->AGP transfer later.

What you'll get may or may not depend on
- Video card's brand and chipset
- driver version
- OS type and version
- available memory of all sorts

And finally, one cannot say "OpenGL's a bad platform for benchmarking". Maybe that's exactly what he is up to: benchmarking OpenGL implementation performance ?

 
Erik Faye-Lund

May 09, 2005, 05:44 AM

I'd like you to pay extremely good notice to the part that saya "in that case". i'm not saying opengl is a bad platform for benchmarking, it's a bad platform for benchmarking vram-writes. this is because the benchmark cannot know when the actual write happens. the thing is, any additional memory-transfer to the actual writing of the data (from the application-side) isn't specified in the standard. i also feel i expressed quite damn clearly that if it only was a matter of benchmarkin a given handset of driver/card-combinations, this won't be an issue.

 
Chris

May 09, 2005, 11:25 AM

You quite damn need to calm down. I didn't mean any offense.

 
DonJuan

May 09, 2005, 11:28 AM

but if chris wasn't bitching about how stupid people are, he wouldn't have anything to say :)

 
Chris

May 09, 2005, 11:57 AM

I can't remember telling people around here that they're stupid (save for the recent one in the other thread who explicitely asked for it, granted :-)

And I think what I've said was a valid contribution; I pointed out the fact that SOME memory transfer takes place immediately, though it may not be the one expected to take place.

 
Erik Faye-Lund

May 09, 2005, 01:02 PM

i don't know why you thought i was angry or whatever, i wasn't. i was only trying to clarify what i said. if i came out angry, then i'm sorry about that. anyway. this stuff is in no way relevant to the topic, so lets end the rant, ey? ;)

 
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